Boat Ramp job
Todd 11-12-2009
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I am glad you took the pics, i have not seen this done before. How does the concrete hold up under water?

JDR47 11-12-2009
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Todd,

   Customer said it will hold after a week of curing, I am curious to see when that ski boat rolls down it.


b-alto 11-12-2009
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They way we do it is pour a slab on the ground over a few layers of plastic then take a dozer and push it it the water.

Justapumper 11-12-2009
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 Where you at that you can pour in the water like that? Here they would crucify you if you so much as got one drip in there. They would have had to sanbag it then drained the area first. I caught hell for my water from the water wash splashing on the ground 30ft from a dry riverbed.

tebequip 11-12-2009
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I would not leave those pictures up. There is vegetation in that water and the cement slurry is swarming it.

That is the biggest violation for EPA of any.

Guys. This is as bad as it gets for EPA. I would remove these pics asap. Just a heads up. This is not the way it is done properly. Did this guy who owns the ramp have a DEP permit to pour concrete into water? NO. You have to Drive Sheet and bulkhead the area you are pouring, Pump the water out and then pour. WHen it is cured. Then you pull the  sheets and let the water back in.

 


TooTall 11-12-2009
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 I dont know uncleTom I thought the exact same thing until I pumped a "through river crossing" in Buffalo WY with state inpectors and engineers on site! Not only poured concrete into the river but set the pump up right in the river bed! When I started asking if this was legal or permitted they cracked up and asked where I came from... Half of them were civil employees! 

 Different places, different rules.


JDR47 11-12-2009
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In response to a concerning reply about the EPA. I did ask this question also and was told different counties different rules. I too have done a through river crossing with a 42meter set up in the water about 2 foot deep. On that job was enviromental people and engineers. Maybe it just makes a difference on the location. As for the tip hose being out of the water that's where the hoseman wanted it he said he couldn't see how much was coming out when I had it under the water.

 In everything from above and posted earlier I will take down the pictures if this is going to cause a heated discussion.


tebequip 11-13-2009
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That is unreal TT. So the kill the vegetation and fish to pour a ramp cheap? Never have I seen work done like this along the water in 40 years. But if that is what the Check writer said to do,?

Here. You would be hung in town square and they would take your first born for the fine. If you even stuck the end of the tip hose in the water.

We do some under water pumping with pre caution but this is an extreme. How do you keep any type grade or continuous elevation on the concrete? Even on slope for the ramp. How about side to side.?

I am in disbelief. Residential neighborhood too. I am sure dogs and other animals drink the water and maybe a kid or two.

That pump pulled up and a mixer behind it. You would have had the CIA here in a minute.

Oh well. Like TT says. PUMP ON


tebequip 11-13-2009
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JD - No heated discussion. Just stating a point. Just shocked to see it done like this. You guy who is paying you gave your instructions. Do it.

On the other side of the coin. Its nice to see a pump working in these times.


biged 11-13-2009
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I know some areas of the country are tough on spillage but where I pump at you can do anything, I wish the EPA would come down hard on contractors around here cause it would help our business out ten fold cause all the ready mix companys when asked they drive over the curb into the mud driving around houses pour footers doing block fill spilling concrete everywhere then tracking mud all up and down the street wash out anywhere if they could leave the street then they would have to pump everything one of these days someone will stop all this.

40667 11-13-2009
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You do realize that if they come down hard on the contractors they will also come down hard on the pumpers!


biged 11-14-2009
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I know what you are saying, but this needs to be stopped around here, all of these subdivisions around here the run off goes straight to our steams and waterways,a few new one's are putting in retension ponds, I remember when our waterways were very poluted with garabge up the east coast fish were dieing they worked to clean them up.

Justapumper 11-14-2009
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 JD not jumping on you I just know that everywhere I ever pumped that would get you massive fines with the feds. Well except for one job I did. It was a bridge for the feds where I was setup on one bridge and, pumping the other bridge. I was filling one yard buckets and, when the mud was rejected they dumped it in the lake and, had me do the same. I asked the EPA goof about it and, he just smiled. I guess it is only OK when the feds do it.