I carry a lot of stuff in my truck. I got spare for everything, tools, you name it. Every possible place is taken up, I'm talkin' dash full, under seats full, tools box exploding full, line pipe, reducers, flex line, dont get me started about dunnage, but some of you guys even have more!!!!! So heres the question  "where do you put it?"

And I'm seriously asking too. I would like some hints please.

For example, somebody(can't remember the company)had some cool hangers for reducers on his outriggers, I would like to see that picture again

the brains (2ic) and i made them.

How much can you load on the truck and still have it road legal, in sweden we cant load much on pumps over 36m, the law sucks.

Yes We can Niklas ! ;-) The pump worked fine with extra water and much system on.... I dont have no permit to drive My pump ! " only" 3000-4000 kg with extra diesel and water + all system !

wayyyy to much hose on that truck !!!

   Maybe one of those longer hoses but not all of them you own. Plus welding stuff to your outriggers changes the structure of them and without written authorization from the manufacture you now have full liability if something goes wrong with them.

  Would'nt it be easier to just know how much hose you need for the day ,rather than carring everything you own on your truck ?

No offense Mr wibau, but i would call this a safety hazard and recomend it be removed if I performed a boom inspection on this truck.For two reasons, #1 the clutter and for #2, the welded brackets on your outriggers. ( Im assuming they are welded ?)

dear sir, mr boom inspector,

please browse brendan's photos and you will see he uses this much gear and more on a very regular basis, he does not carry it all, there is still some at the yard.

as for the welded brackets, the right people have seen them, come on over and have a look if you want, your most welcome

cheers steve

Thank you Steve for the feed back.

 And yes Mr.wibau has some great stuff added here. In that I do agree. But for "arguement" sake, lets just say the brackets are welded on. Since the out riggers are a structural component of this boom , I would hesitate without a written authorization from the pump manufacture due to liability reasons. (this  covers your ass "just in case")

I know he or his company owns the pump and can modify it as they like.But if there ever was a failure the investigators first comment would be about all the hose and brackets installed that appear to be non factory issue.

Yes what he has done is innovative and saves him alittle time when he has all his system on his truck,but you also have to look at potential future problems when doing this with a boom truck is all im saying.

Thanks again Steve your comment was appreciated

boom inspector

whats it got to do with the boom with how much hose you carry, as long as there are no cracks bent sections and every thing is okay, cant see the problem its bad enough fighting site every day with out people like you adding two the problem, you cant recommend a failed certificate, just because he carrys extra pipe its like saying your not coming on site because you have only 50% of your tyre left

Mr. kiwi ,trust me im not part of "the problem".

But how can you tell if there are no cracks in those out riggers ? You cannot even see them well . Im pretty sure I could get several engineers from at least 2 pump manufactures to agree with me that it is not a recomended practice to weld "add-ons" to a truck mounted boom pump out riggers. But Im also willing to admit that I could be wrong on this also ?

It is up to the owner and operators to keep there equipment safe and reliable , My job is to give them the proper information. Just because I "red tagged " there pump does not mean they dont have an opportunity to fix the afore mentioned problem. Or in the very least understand there may be a potential saftey or structural issue.

Thanks for your response Mr. Kiwi

X ray is the only answer then no problems.

All that system?  That's why we have pickup trucks.

Ignorance: Arguing with a certified boom inspector with more qualifications and experience than most of the 3221 members of this site.

typesdubs

ignorance has got nothing to do with it , how long have you been pumping, experience is not every thing in this job ,

common sense go,s a long way boom inspector at least did not slag me off and took constructive criticism,

the whole point is to debate boom inspector has not long been certified, just because some one has a bit of paper its not to say he knows more than the next man, every single day i go around my pump, and check for things that should not be there, and when you work for your shelve,you can only drive one thing, i carry 60m of line bends clips ect if i have to come away from job then i dont get paid

Mr.kiwi ,

Sir,

my qualifications are clearly stated on my website in my profile. I have been a Certified Boom Inspector since 2002 thru Schwing America,Inc. But I did recently go into business for myself is the only differance. On average I inspect 120-150 boom pumps per year . That being said I feel I am more than just " a peice of paper" stating I went thru some class.

And I also want you to understand I very much respect your ideas and statements you have contributed here . Now lets keep this cival and get back to the main "debate",which in my opinion more than anything is the welded add-ons that are placed on the rear outriggers of the above pictured pump to support all that excessive hose.

Thank you

You dont have to weld  your equipment to your outriggers the  manufacturerer has always some points you can bolt them in

There ya go SUPERDOFFER,that is a perfectly safe alternative . I wish I had thought of a picture myself.

Kudos for adding it on this thread.

Vasa...yes my pump works just fine to, but it aint legal. its almost imposible to get a 42m or bigger road legal in sweden if you want to have some extras with you...

the aussies probably have the most complex and expensive boom/pump inspections in the world i believe they are around $35000 au and require the whole machine  to be stripped down and crack tested on a regular basis

HOLY SHIT cds, are you serious about that ? Ive heard tales when on a bar stool about the Aussie tear downs . That to me is not an inspection so much as a rebuild. They may call it the same but it truely is not.

Wow to pay 35K it better atleast have all new wear parts/pipes and a pretty dress when it returned to my yard. LOL

My Putz has a similar setup as yours SuperD, think it came from the factory with it.

Must be a bitch to do maintenance and keep clean with all that shit hanging aroud wibau?

boom inspector

yeah i belive its a six yearly thing too, funny here in NZ we have no laws you can do what you want and man some of the thing i have seen you would have a heart attack

Section 5 – Inspection and maintenance
5.1 General
Appropriate ‘planned inspections’ and ‘preventative maintenance programs’ are essential for safety and efficiency in the operation of concrete pumps and booms, and should be carried out in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommendations, and AS2550.15. These inspections and routine maintenance should be carried out:
(a)
daily before commencement of work
(b)
weekly
(c)
monthly
(d)
three monthly
(e)
yearly, and
(f)
six yearly strip downs.
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5.2 Compliance plates and certification
All equipment associated with concrete pumping must have fixed compliance plates, and/or appropriate certification for their use, e.g.,
(a)
cab and chassis – by the state transport authority in which the unit is registered, with a fixed motor vehicle modification plate showing the appropriate modification codes
(b)
placing boom and outriggers:
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by the manufacturer, with a fixed plate showing date of manufacture, serial number, maximum recommended working pressure, maximum recommended length of end (or drop hose), recommended maximum size of delivery pipe/hose, etc. in accordance with AS1418.15 Cranes (including hoists and winches) – Concrete placing equipment,
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following each six year strip down, by a professional engineer whose area of competence includes the type of work being undertaken, with a fixed plate setting out the details of the annual inspection and the six year strip down and inspection dates, in accordance with AS2550.15 Cranes – safe use – Concrete placing equipment
(c)
concrete pump – by the manufacturer, with a fixed plate showing date of manufacture and serial number
(d)
maximum recommended working pressures for hydraulics and concrete etc, in accordance with AS1418.15 Cranes (including hoists and winches) – Concrete placing equipment, and
(e)
Over Length and Overweight Permits must be obtained, kept current, and in the vehicle.
Any pump, boom, prime mover and/or associated equipment not having such a compliance plate or permit, should be removed from service immediately, until such certification is effected.

http://www.deir.qld.gov.au/workplace/pdfs/concretepump_code2005.pdf

gee where do i start, firstly i need and use these gear very often so it is very needed to be on board.

boom inspector,how am i to know how much gear is needed when i concrete does not no the difference between 50 and 150meters they are not all the brightest.also what has it got to do with anyone how much gear i carry as it does not slow the truck down and i am the one that has to sort throuh it.

as for the welding as 2ic said it said be checked and safe and sound. welds are only at top and bottom not in the middle only where the welds are for the legs .more then welcome to come and have a look.

thanks kiwi.

telealbelt thats why they invented truck trucks.

supperdoffer how am i going to fit all my gear there. while you are up there next time stap it down as it is not road legal.

pump noob is prob gets more care then most pumps as the gear is taken of offen so i am in there more often. then i give it a bath while it is of everytime while waiting for crete.

pumps are hit hard here work cover is right on to everything. boom inspections every year and full stip downs every6 years. plus a hole heap more stuff like cds said.

Thanks Mr.Wibau for clearing this up for me, if the add-ons were welded only on top edge and bottom edge of the outrigger box where existing weldments were located along with proper pre- heat procedure followed along with the proper weld rod being used . I could see why others have approved those hangers in your area.

But I seriously would not recomend doing this to your pump ,In my opinion your left hand out rigger is getting to much unnessasary load from open/close process and your main pin/bushing will show premature wear in time. But hey it is your pump and your responsibility right ?

Ok ,lets move on to what CDS has said about Australian Boom Inspection procedures. Does your company and all others there have to follow the guide lines CDS posted ? If so do many of the companies there just sell there booms after 6 years rather than do the "tear down" ? Are Inspections mandatory or voluntary there? Could you give me and the others reading this some insight about your experience with Boom Inspectors in Australia ? Im just very curious as to exactly why someone there decided all Booms needed a tear down after 6 years of use is all.

Thanks again Mr.Wibau, I really enjoy your postings here

boom inspector,

i seem to be missing something here, if you are talking about the weight of the hoses on the left leg why is the right leg constructed as an extra fuel tank and what about all those concord 40's that are carrying water in both their rear outriggers?

6 yearly stripdowns are mandatory, that is what happens when government safety takes advice from associations run by people that sell machinery.

2IC,

 I have came across several boom trucks with water tanks in the out riggers that have failed due to premature rusting. I have never understood why engineers that design this equipment would use a structural component as a water tank, Ive even gone so far as to question a few engineers on this subject but there response is vague at best. I dont mind the idea of diesal fuel in them or hyd. oil ,because there is no corrosion problem. But everyone knows that steel will corrode in time with water on it no matter what type of "special" coating or liner is used on the inside.

And another WOW at the fact it is mandated to have a 6 year tear down on your booms. That does not even make any sense what so ever. Ive came across many many 20 year old pumps in use today that with proper maintanance provide there owners with safe operations. In america we call your process a "total rebuild" not an inspection. LOL

But I do %100 approve that In Australia you have mandated truck mounted concrete pump inspection programs. It keeps an even playing field for all pump owners to have the equal amount of business expense that there compititors have. There are associations here in the USA that have tried also to get this passed(mandatory inspections) but the only way that will change Im sad to say is more accidents will have to be brought to the publics attention. Then our laws here would change .

Thanks for your input 2IC it is appreciated

Boom inspector, how about the use of a 'sacrificial' zinc anode, as used in water heaters to reduce the corrosion?

PumpJockey,

I beleive some manufactures all ready do that. But corrosion all ways seems to find a way to beat us. 

Just saw this been gone for a while.  Can someone explain the sense behind 20 ft hoses.  If you are hanging one of those 4 inch hoses off your boom you are overloading your boom, let alone what a wrestling match to wash out. I've always found 10 footers easier to handle to set up wash and yes unplug. The air would be some kind of blue if I plugged in one of those 20 footers.